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[MOD] Can I remind you of some site rules, ones that are been broken so often on this thread that I don't have time to address them all individually?

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From here on in, I'm inclined to just delete offending posts.[/MOD]

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Ó Gabhainn

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DUP's Seven tests on replacing the NI Protocol


It seems that they are under the impression that there is a negotiation going on that is replacing the NIP i.e.
  • No border in the Irish Sea
What they want is the May Deal; you know, the one that they had on their high-seat table in their wee plastic bowl with their wee plastic fork. They launched it all over the wall after mummy spent a long time cooking. And now they want it.
 

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What they want is the May Deal; you know, the one that they had on their high-seat table in their wee plastic bowl with their wee plastic fork. They launched it all over the wall after mummy spent a long time cooking. And now they want it.
Some spiffing ideas the DUP could tack on to their demands if they'd only consult Wikipedia. No point in being shy about it if you want to turn the clock back to 1690.


  • Exclusion of Catholics from most public offices.
  • Ban on intermarriage with Protestants;
  • Catholics barred from holding firearms or serving in the armed forces
  • Ban on Catholic membership of Parliament
  • Exclusion of Catholics from voting
  • Exclusion of Catholics from the legal professions and the judiciary
  • Ban on Catholics receiving foreign education.
  • Bar to Catholics entering Trinity College Dublin
  • On a death by a Catholic, his legatee could benefit by conversion to the Church of Ireland
  • Catholic inheritances of land were to be equally subdivided between all an owner's sons with the exception that if the eldest son and heir converted to Protestantism that he would become the one and only tenant of estate and portions for other children not to exceed one third of the estate
  • Ban on converting from Protestantism to Roman Catholicism on pain of Praemunire: forfeiting all property estates and legacy to the monarch of the time and remaining in prison at the monarch's pleasure. In addition, forfeiting the monarch's protection. No injury however atrocious could have any action brought against it or any reparation for such.
  • Ban on Catholics buying land under a lease of more than 31 years
  • Ban on custody of orphans being granted to Catholics on pain of 500 pounds that was to be donated to the Blue Coat hospital in Dublin.
  • Ban on Catholics inheriting Protestant land
  • Prohibition on Catholics owning a horse valued at over £5
  • A bounty for arresting Catholic priests
  • When allowed, Catholic churches to be built from wood, not stone, and away from main roads.
  • No person of the popish religion allowed publicly or in private houses to teach school, or instruct youth in learning
  • Any and all rewards not paid by the crown for alerting authorities of offences to be levied upon the Catholic populace within parish and county.
 
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If only they hadn't repealed those sensible and proportionate laws!

Or, as an English colleague once confided to me (in his cups) "we should never have abolished the B Specials"
 

Ó Gabhainn

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Some spiffing ideas the DUP could tack on to their demands if they'd only consult Wikipedia. No point in being shy about it if you want to turn the clock back to 1690.


  • Exclusion of Catholics from most public offices.
  • Ban on intermarriage with Protestants;
  • Catholics barred from holding firearms or serving in the armed forces
  • Ban on Catholic membership of Parliament
  • Exclusion of Catholics from voting
  • Exclusion of Catholics from the legal professions and the judiciary
  • Ban on Catholics receiving foreign education.
  • Bar to Catholics entering Trinity College Dublin
  • On a death by a Catholic, his legatee could benefit by conversion to the Church of Ireland
  • Catholic inheritances of land were to be equally subdivided between all an owner's sons with the exception that if the eldest son and heir converted to Protestantism that he would become the one and only tenant of estate and portions for other children not to exceed one third of the estate
  • Ban on converting from Protestantism to Roman Catholicism on pain of Praemunire: forfeiting all property estates and legacy to the monarch of the time and remaining in prison at the monarch's pleasure. In addition, forfeiting the monarch's protection. No injury however atrocious could have any action brought against it or any reparation for such.
  • Ban on Catholics buying land under a lease of more than 31 years
  • Ban on custody of orphans being granted to Catholics on pain of 500 pounds that was to be donated to the Blue Coat hospital in Dublin.
  • Ban on Catholics inheriting Protestant land
  • Prohibition on Catholics owning a horse valued at over £5
  • A bounty for arresting Catholic priests
  • When allowed, Catholic churches to be built from wood, not stone, and away from main roads.
  • No person of the popish religion allowed publicly or in private houses to teach school, or instruct youth in learning
  • Any and all rewards not paid by the crown for alerting authorities of offences to be levied upon the Catholic populace within parish and county.


Loony bins.
 

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Prof Honeydew

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Tony Connelly isn't a commentator who could be dismissed as an alarmist. Over the five years since the Brexit vote, he has kept his personal viewpoint out of his coverage and , instead, kept rigorously to the facts as reported to him by a wide range of contacts right across the spectrum.

His weekly review of the EU and its impact on Ireland is probably the most downbeat of all he has written since 2016. Although it's an opinion that has been shared by many observers, particularly in Ireland, since the May took over from Cameron, Connelly is now saying without any caveats that the Brits intent on wrecking the Withdrawal Agreement, the Irish Protocol and the Good Friday Agreement and that this will be announced in a nakedly hostile statement by their little maneen Frost regarding issues that were coming to a head on the 1st of July but were delayed at the last minute for another three months.


Next week, the UK government will announce its latest approach to the Northern Ireland Protocol. It will be the latest flashpoint following six months of strife and will signpost what kind of clash we might expect in the autumn.
A package of flexibilities announced by the EU on 30 June has provided a brief but fragile truce. However, the EU and Dublin regard the UK's response to the measures as ungracious, if not antagonistic. Officials in Brussels now wonder if that opportunity is going to be derailed by next week's announcement.
Why the Brits are taking this tack at this very moment is subject to conjecture. Sure, there's the need for distraction from the political pressure arising from the cheating Dagos not folding over to allow "football come home" and the rising case numbers of COVID, but it would appear the primary reason is that the efforts of Frost and Reichskomissar Lewis to stoke up serious Loyalist violence on the 12th collapsed like a lead balloon and the avenue of demonstrating to the Yanks that the Protocol was undermining the GFA is now about as plausible as Johnson's explanations of his extramarital activities.

Last week's deliberately antagonistic move by Lewis to give a total amnesty to the murderers in British Army uniforms and their controllers in Whitehall would also fit in with that narrative, as would Frost's outrageous statement that he wanted to reduce trade across the internal Irish border.

Unfortunately, the Irish Government are allowing the Brits to set the agenda in this dispute and seem to be more concerned with not upsetting them rather than leading the EU's response to this deliberate British attempt to bring the Six Counties back to 1912 and 1969. Expressions of surprise by Coveney and the Enegerland soccer team's biggest supporter in Ireland, Mícheál Martin, do nothing to force resolution of a situation that has grave implications for the state they're supposed to be leading. What's more, their excuse of preventing a Unionist backlash was blown out of the water last Monday when, despite the best efforts of the British Government, the DUP, UUP and TUV and the drug-pushing hoodlums setting the agenda for them, this year's Twelfth was the most timis and most pathetic demonstration of Unionism ever seen since 1690.

Even Tony Connelly now appears to be telling the Irish Government to grow a pair.
 

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Tony Connelly isn't a commentator who could be dismissed as an alarmist. Over the five years since the Brexit vote, he has kept his personal viewpoint out of his coverage and , instead, kept rigorously to the facts as reported to him by a wide range of contacts right across the spectrum.

His weekly review of the EU and its impact on Ireland is probably the most downbeat of all he has written since 2016. Although it's an opinion that has been shared by many observers, particularly in Ireland, since the May took over from Cameron, Connelly is now saying without any caveats that the Brits intent on wrecking the Withdrawal Agreement, the Irish Protocol and the Good Friday Agreement and that this will be announced in a nakedly hostile statement by their little maneen Frost regarding issues that were coming to a head on the 1st of July but were delayed at the last minute for another three months.




Why the Brits are taking this tack at this very moment is subject to conjecture. Sure, there's the need for distraction from the political pressure arising from the cheating Dagos not folding over to allow "football come home" and the rising case numbers of COVID, but it would appear the primary reason is that the efforts of Frost and Reichskomissar Lewis to stoke up serious Loyalist violence on the 12th collapsed like a lead balloon and the avenue of demonstrating to the Yanks that the Protocol was undermining the GFA is now about as plausible as Johnson's explanations of his extramarital activities.

Last week's deliberately antagonistic move by Lewis to give a total amnesty to the murderers in British Army uniforms and their controllers in Whitehall would also fit in with that narrative, as would Frost's outrageous statement that he wanted to reduce trade across the internal Irish border.

Unfortunately, the Irish Government are allowing the Brits to set the agenda in this dispute and seem to be more concerned with not upsetting them rather than leading the EU's response to this deliberate British attempt to bring the Six Counties back to 1912 and 1969. Expressions of surprise by Coveney and the Enegerland soccer team's biggest supporter in Ireland, Mícheál Martin, do nothing to force resolution of a situation that has grave implications for the state they're supposed to be leading. What's more, their excuse of preventing a Unionist backlash was blown out of the water last Monday when, despite the best efforts of the British Government, the DUP, UUP and TUV and the drug-pushing hoodlums setting the agenda for them, this year's Twelfth was the most timis and most pathetic demonstration of Unionism ever seen since 1690.

Even Tony Connelly now appears to be telling the Irish Government to grow a pair.
I read somewhere that the march organisers were keeping numbers low this year due to covid. And whilst we have seen the provacative bonfires, there were plenty of small ones, with no flags etc on them
 

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The EU must "not (be) prioritising the single market"

What parallel world is she living in?

The UK leaves the block it was part of, and now that block must change its rules so the UK isn’t inconvenienced. Have those people ever been confronted with their illogic? Someone please help them to understand.
 

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Tony Connelly isn't a commentator who could be dismissed as an alarmist. Over the five years since the Brexit vote, he has kept his personal viewpoint out of his coverage and , instead, kept rigorously to the facts as reported to him by a wide range of contacts right across the spectrum.

His weekly review of the EU and its impact on Ireland is probably the most downbeat of all he has written since 2016. Although it's an opinion that has been shared by many observers, particularly in Ireland, since the May took over from Cameron, Connelly is now saying without any caveats that the Brits intent on wrecking the Withdrawal Agreement, the Irish Protocol and the Good Friday Agreement and that this will be announced in a nakedly hostile statement by their little maneen Frost regarding issues that were coming to a head on the 1st of July but were delayed at the last minute for another three months.




Why the Brits are taking this tack at this very moment is subject to conjecture. Sure, there's the need for distraction from the political pressure arising from the cheating Dagos not folding over to allow "football come home" and the rising case numbers of COVID, but it would appear the primary reason is that the efforts of Frost and Reichskomissar Lewis to stoke up serious Loyalist violence on the 12th collapsed like a lead balloon and the avenue of demonstrating to the Yanks that the Protocol was undermining the GFA is now about as plausible as Johnson's explanations of his extramarital activities.

Last week's deliberately antagonistic move by Lewis to give a total amnesty to the murderers in British Army uniforms and their controllers in Whitehall would also fit in with that narrative, as would Frost's outrageous statement that he wanted to reduce trade across the internal Irish border.

Unfortunately, the Irish Government are allowing the Brits to set the agenda in this dispute and seem to be more concerned with not upsetting them rather than leading the EU's response to this deliberate British attempt to bring the Six Counties back to 1912 and 1969. Expressions of surprise by Coveney and the Enegerland soccer team's biggest supporter in Ireland, Mícheál Martin, do nothing to force resolution of a situation that has grave implications for the state they're supposed to be leading. What's more, their excuse of preventing a Unionist backlash was blown out of the water last Monday when, despite the best efforts of the British Government, the DUP, UUP and TUV and the drug-pushing hoodlums setting the agenda for them, this year's Twelfth was the most timis and most pathetic demonstration of Unionism ever seen since 1690.

Even Tony Connelly now appears to be telling the Irish Government to grow a pair.
There are multiple timescales from the EU's perspective - in the short run they want minimal disruption to allow the Protocol to bed in and become an established fact, if only on paper for the time being; in the long run they can then ruthlessly enforce it slowly but surely. The EU is very good at gradually reifying a piece of paper once it has your signature. Unionism only gets one chance next year to try to achieve an anti-Protocol majority because of demographics.
 

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Only two of the 18 committees designed to negotiate the post-Brexit settlement between the EU and UK have met since the trade deal was signed in December 2020, Byline Times can reveal. The EU-UK Trade Cooperation Agreement (TCA) established a number of ‘specialist committees’ that are intended to solve any issues that may arise in the new relationship between the two trading partners. According to Parliament’s European Scrutiny Committee, these groups are “powerful bodies” that can “consider important parts of the deal such as road haulage, air travel and fishing rights”.
 

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Tory MPs who hyped Brexit fishing benefits have abandoned us, fishermen say

National Federation of Fisherman’s Organisations says European Research Group have gone ‘very quiet’ on issue


"It's really quite hard to convey how sudden the industry's fall from grace was. In December last year we were the kind of the poster child for Brexit, and we were very much looking forward to a future as an independent coastal state, with very, very solid assurances given by the Prime Minister, Lord Frost, and senior members of the of the cabinet over control over who fishes in UK waters and escape from the Common Fisheries Policy – and quota shares that reflected our new status as an independent coastal state," he said.
 

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Tory MPs who hyped Brexit fishing benefits have abandoned us, fishermen say

National Federation of Fisherman’s Organisations says European Research Group have gone ‘very quiet’ on issue


"It's really quite hard to convey how sudden the industry's fall from grace was. In December last year we were the kind of the poster child for Brexit, and we were very much looking forward to a future as an independent coastal state, with very, very solid assurances given by the Prime Minister, Lord Frost, and senior members of the of the cabinet over control over who fishes in UK waters and escape from the Common Fisheries Policy – and quota shares that reflected our new status as an independent coastal state," he said.


The 'very solid assurances' can't of been that solid so or in other words Boris the Liar strikes again.......which leads us on to this and hopefully the people in the Southern Hemisphere are watching how they throw their own people under a bus and try to cause problems for their neighbours as well after they sign up to legally binding trade agreements.....

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If the UK violates the terms of its EU exit deal in relation to the GFA, it could disqualify itself from joining the CPTPP. Jacinda Ardern has warned that only those that meet the "highest standards" of a rules-based order will be accepted:

Highest standards...?....I wouldn't suggest meeting Johnson face to face until the pandemic is fully behind us as he is refusing to self isolate at the moment even though he was a close contact for several hours of someone with Covid......
 

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