Is Northern Ireland now a Terrocracy?

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MOD - As legal issues arise from the unquiet graves story, it is important that posters are aware that we cannot permit any unproven allegations against any of the people involved under any circumstances. This is a general standing rule of the site in any event, but given the current legal scenario important in this thread in particular. - MOD
 

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Sylvia Herman not standing again.

uh oh. Presumably Alliance will seek to fill her seat but without Alliance playing ball on N and S Belfast, I wonder will SF and SDLP give them a free run for the “remain” seat.
 

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uh oh. Presumably Alliance will seek to fill her seat but without Alliance playing ball on N and S Belfast, I wonder will SF and SDLP give them a free run for the “remain” seat.
UUP will run here, hoping to take advantage of a previous UU candidate (Hermon) and hoping it will go some way to relieving some of the criticism about north Belfast.
 

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thats the first bit of good news the DUP have had in weeks

Hopefully Alliance can do the job here ... probably DUP but ye never know
This was traditionally a uup seat. Though Robert McCartney held it for UKUP after he defected from them. Could go any way of three. There's a large green vote here too.
 

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I just saw the 'hooded men' video on TG4.

Very powerful - very sad.

(Maybe off topic - didn't know where to post)
 

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I just saw the 'hooded men' video on TG4.

Very powerful - very sad.

(Maybe off topic - didn't know where to post)
I'd say The Hooded Men would be the perfect example of a 'terrocracy', so it wouldn't be off topic.
 

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The North has been a Terrocracy since its very inception, when the likes of Co. Cavan man John Nixon, then an RUC/RIC District Inspector and "Cromwell Club" member, headed a combined police/irregular death squad responsible for the likes of the McMahon Killings and Arnon St Massacre, two incidents amongst many.

Nixon went on to represent the Woodvale(an area/constituency at the head of the Shankill Rd) for many years at the Stormont parliament. Nixon successfully sued the Derry Journal amongst others for publishing the allegations. DUP man Ian Crozier unsuccessfully lobbied for Nixon's home, then in a state of gross disrepair, to be restored and turned into a National Monument...
 
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Well you could have knocked me over with a feather and called me rosie I was that shacked!!...

The PSNI says there has been “no change” since a 2015 assessment that the PIRA Army Council was still overseeing both Sinn Fein and the remaining structures of the terror organisation with an “over arching strategy”.

“how at a key point in the saga then Sinn Fein Finance Minister Mairtín O Muilleoir was in contact with a former IRA ‘Officer Commanding’ and a man regarded as one of the most influential figures in the Provisionals.”


 

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Well you could have knocked me over with a feather and called me rosie I was that shacked!!...

The PSNI says there has been “no change” since a 2015 assessment that the PIRA Army Council was still overseeing both Sinn Fein and the remaining structures of the terror organisation with an “over arching strategy”.

“how at a key point in the saga then Sinn Fein Finance Minister Mairtín O Muilleoir was in contact with a former IRA ‘Officer Commanding’ and a man regarded as one of the most influential figures in the Provisionals.”

Funny how this newsletter headline is true and the one posted yesterday isn't, eh? Amazing, that.
 
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Another question that this raises but none on here will want to discuss is how a reporting body set up to examine PIRA activity after a PIRA murder no longer mentions PIRA, if it was anyone else the cry's of whitewash and cover up would be deafening...

But commenting on whether her panel should be assessing how the IRA oversight of Sinn Fein detailed in 2015 was being resolved, she replied: “Well perhaps the secretary of state would then want to do that. But clearly there are those in power who believe that their focus should be elsewhere.”

 
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What mandate did England have for the invasion and occupation and partition of Ireland???
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ADRIAN, bishop, servant of the servants of God, to his most dearly beloved son in Christ, the illustrious king of the English, greeting and apostolical blessing.

...You have signified to us, our well-beloved son in Christ, that you propose to enter the island of Ireland in order to subdue the people and make them obedient to laws, and to root out from among them the weeds of sin; and that you are willing to yield and pay yearly from every house the pension of one penny to St Peter, and to keep and preserve the rights of the churches in that land whole and inviolate.

We, therefore, regarding your pious and laudable design with due favour, and graciously assenting to your petition, do hereby declare our will and pleasure, that, for the purpose of enlarging the borders of the Church, setting bounds to the progress of wickedness, reforming evil manners, planting virtue, and increasing the Christian religion, you do enter and take possession of that island, and execute therein whatsoever shall be for God's honour and the welfare of the same.

And, further, we do also strictly charge and require that the people of that land shall accept you with all honour, and dutifully obey you, as their liege lord, saving only the rights of the churches, which we will have inviolably preserved; and reserving to St Peter and the holy Roman Church the yearly pension of one penny from each house. If, therefore, you bring your purpose to good effect, let it be your study to improve the habits of that people, and take such orders by yourself, or by others whom you shall think fitting, for their lives, manners and conversation, that the Church there may be adorned by them, the Christian faith be planted and increased, and all that concerns the honour of God and the salvation of souls be ordered by you in like manner; so that you may receive at God's hands the blessed reward of everlasting life, and may obtain on earth a glorious name in ages to come.
 

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Gods...

ADRIAN, bishop, servant of the servants of God, to his most dearly beloved son in Christ, the illustrious king of the English, greeting and apostolical blessing.

...You have signified to us, our well-beloved son in Christ, that you propose to enter the island of Ireland in order to subdue the people and make them obedient to laws, and to root out from among them the weeds of sin; and that you are willing to yield and pay yearly from every house the pension of one penny to St Peter, and to keep and preserve the rights of the churches in that land whole and inviolate.

We, therefore, regarding your pious and laudable design with due favour, and graciously assenting to your petition, do hereby declare our will and pleasure, that, for the purpose of enlarging the borders of the Church, setting bounds to the progress of wickedness, reforming evil manners, planting virtue, and increasing the Christian religion, you do enter and take possession of that island, and execute therein whatsoever shall be for God's honour and the welfare of the same.

And, further, we do also strictly charge and require that the people of that land shall accept you with all honour, and dutifully obey you, as their liege lord, saving only the rights of the churches, which we will have inviolably preserved; and reserving to St Peter and the holy Roman Church the yearly pension of one penny from each house. If, therefore, you bring your purpose to good effect, let it be your study to improve the habits of that people, and take such orders by yourself, or by others whom you shall think fitting, for their lives, manners and conversation, that the Church there may be adorned by them, the Christian faith be planted and increased, and all that concerns the honour of God and the salvation of souls be ordered by you in like manner; so that you may receive at God's hands the blessed reward of everlasting life, and may obtain on earth a glorious name in ages to come.
Yep, can't beat the spin meisters in the church. They've been at it for centuries, nay millenia
 

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Gods...

ADRIAN, bishop, servant of the servants of God, to his most dearly beloved son in Christ, the illustrious king of the English, greeting and apostolical blessing.

...You have signified to us, our well-beloved son in Christ, that you propose to enter the island of Ireland in order to subdue the people and make them obedient to laws, and to root out from among them the weeds of sin; and that you are willing to yield and pay yearly from every house the pension of one penny to St Peter, and to keep and preserve the rights of the churches in that land whole and inviolate.

We, therefore, regarding your pious and laudable design with due favour, and graciously assenting to your petition, do hereby declare our will and pleasure, that, for the purpose of enlarging the borders of the Church, setting bounds to the progress of wickedness, reforming evil manners, planting virtue, and increasing the Christian religion, you do enter and take possession of that island, and execute therein whatsoever shall be for God's honour and the welfare of the same.

And, further, we do also strictly charge and require that the people of that land shall accept you with all honour, and dutifully obey you, as their liege lord, saving only the rights of the churches, which we will have inviolably preserved; and reserving to St Peter and the holy Roman Church the yearly pension of one penny from each house. If, therefore, you bring your purpose to good effect, let it be your study to improve the habits of that people, and take such orders by yourself, or by others whom you shall think fitting, for their lives, manners and conversation, that the Church there may be adorned by them, the Christian faith be planted and increased, and all that concerns the honour of God and the salvation of souls be ordered by you in like manner; so that you may receive at God's hands the blessed reward of everlasting life, and may obtain on earth a glorious name in ages to come.
The invasion and occupation of Ireland is illegal and fraudulent.

England's claim to Ireland, namely, the reform the Irish church by assuming control of Ireland was fraudulent, because (1) an English Pope, Adrian IV and an English King, Henry II, conspiring to steal Irish land, had NO authority, moral or legal. The scrap of paper England claimed was a Papal Bull, the 'Laudabiliter', was based on the 'Donation of Constantine' - and subsequently, the 'Laudabiliter' was deemed a forgery, and now is nowhere to be found.

And (2) the 'Donation of Constantine' itself was also a forged Roman imperial decree by which the 4th-century emperor, Constantine the Great, supposedly transferred authority over Rome and the western part of the Roman Empire (which Ireland was never a part of) to a Pope - again making England's illegal and fraudulent claim on Ireland a moot non-point.

Try again nomad???
 
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MOD - are we seriously talking about Laudabiliter? Get back on topic, please. - MOD
Yer one brought it up in an effort to justify Unionists presence in Ireland - and needed to be corrected and chastised about it.

England has no mandate in Ireland - it never did.
 
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Wow ... tripping over DUP hypocrisy yet again .. its never ending with these loons

 

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Again, you totally miss the point.. on purpose of course.

MLMD has never claimed to be whiter than white and will talk to all parties and groups ... Its only Unionist politicians and most laughably the DUP who are continuously posturing and lamenting about SF having dealings with ex-paramilitaries while they themselves cosy up to the UVF & UDA who as well as campaigning for the DUP, and clearing a path for them in NB, are still out murdering people....

the DUPs view is
Loyalist Paramilitaries = Fine
Republican Paramilitaries = Bad

they also consider
Unionist Pacts = Fine
non-unionist pacts = Bad

Can ye spot the difference ? .. its right there in front of you

I realise they're infuriated that the bad ole nationalists would dare to do what unionism always does (i.e. pact) but thats life Im afraid .. ye dont always get what you want .. but they need to learn they simply cant have it both ways

DUP hypocrisy truly knows no bounds....


(also, your photo is from a pride festival ... the DUP have meetings with these currently active paramilitaries to discuss policy .. just another sad attempt to deflect)
 
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lets be honest who'd be meeting with the UDA or UVF?...





looks like the feckers are controlling everyone...
 

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Are you really this obtuse?
 

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lets be honest who'd be meeting with the UDA or UVF?...





looks like the feckers are controlling everyone...

SF and Loyalists talk re the peace process ...
Irish president talks to UDA re the peace process ...

the DUP discuss policy with the UDA/UVF and actually allow them a veto ffs ...

I read this elsewhere but it gives a pretty good explanation on how the DUP hypocrisy works....
The DUP describe active loyalist paramilitaries who are currently involved in intimidation, extortion, fraud, drug dealing, pimping, racketeering & murder as "stakeholders" ..... but if you're a former republican political prisoner they think you should stay in the house..


Now can ye spot the difference yet?


but of course in a futile attempt to obfuscate you're still "purposely" missing the point ..... Its the DUP (and unionism in general) double standards & utter hypocrisy that are being highlighted here (aided by you I might add) ....

The DUP come crying about ex-Ira canvassers and nationalist pacts while they do both these things "to a much greater extent" themselves...

as I said, DUP hypocrisy knows no bounds
 

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this is what unionism in the guise of the DUP & UUP & TUV think of "unionist" murderers and their "still actively murdering" groups the UDA and the UVF

this is ok apparently but ex-republicans should stay out of sight and under no condition should nationalists associate with them ..
:rolleyes: Hmm HYPOCRISY is king with these unionist lads it seems







btw could they not have got a bigger fleg .. ffs 🧐 lmfao
 
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There is a vast difference in those two meetings.
And it is the DUP that are claiming to be whiter than white in this regard, while they point the finger at everyone else.
And you know this.
exactly ... and attempt as he may to deflect & obfuscate he only proves the point more & more that unionism is totally hypocritical in this regard..
 
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During the recent Brexit negotiations, many people were justifiably horrified at reports alleging DUP secret talks with the UDA and UVF.
Ultimately, this potentially had the effect of hardening the DUP’s stance against the Brexit deal and thereby forcing the extension of Brexit once more due to lack of support in Westminster.
This received very little coverage in the media, especially from the angle that the UK government who relied on the DUP up to this point is having its national policy being influenced by loyalist terrorists via the DUP.

This week, we witnessed yet more interventions in democracy from the UDA with the alleged threats against the UUP should they stand a candidate in Belfast North. The fear was a Unionist split vote that would allow SF and Finucane in. The UUP and their incoming new leader, Aiken, had initially refused to drop their candidate and would fight every constituency in the six counties. However today, a U-Turn was announced. The DUP and their terrorists proxies in the UDA effectively forced another political party to not stand in an election. I need not explain how this can threaten the fundamental principals of democracy.

With Stormont out of session and the Westminster government currently refusing to implement full London rule, there is a vacuum of legitimate authority and this space appears to be increasingly filled by terrorists groups such as the UDA.

With shadowy figures behind the scenes increasingly calling the shots, can Northern Ireland be referred to as a Terrocracy*
(a terrorist democracy)?





*Copyright rus 2019.
It always was - and ever will it be - as long as the strong men and women on both sides are permitted to continue their command on the fear and misplaced lotalty of the people there.
 
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On the subject of Terrocracy...

A woman whose son was murdered by the IRA nine years after the Good Friday Agreement has challenged Sinn Fein to explain the status of the terror group, after police insisted it is still intact.

The PSNI confirmed its assessment after the Independent Review Commission (IRC) failed to mention the IRA in its latest report last week.

report concluded that the IRA, though much reduced in scale and “committed to the peace process”, still has “specific” departments and “regional command structures”, gathers intelligence, retains weapons and may engage in “isolated violence” including murder.

Whilst this remains the case, Sinn Fein are not a democratic political party, rather they continue to be the political mouthpiece for the Provisional IRA.

 
Seosamh: "NI... has never been a democracy, in any sense of the word".
Obviously only unionists are represented in the British military. Nationalists should be granted their very own military bases owing to their democratic mandate. This might alleviate some of the tension.
 

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Seosamh: "NI... has never been a democracy, in any sense of the word".
Obviously only unionists are represented in the British military. Nationalists should be granted their very own military bases owing to their democratic mandate. This might alleviate some of the tension.
I rather suspect that might do the complete opposite.
 
I suppose it's a similar idea to that of calls for 50:50 recruitment in the PSNI. All groups and minorities must be represented. There are many moderates in NI on both sides such as the SDLP. I don't think it would lead to increased tension if they were represented in the military.
 

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I can't remember who said this originally but I see the old saying remains as true as ever

"If the IRA didn't exist, unionism would have to invent it"

At this stage it's really rather pathetic watching grown men wetting themselves in terror in public, such is their professed crippling fear of (but really a deep craving for) the old certainties and comfort blankets.

On both sides of the border.

How feeble is the facade of "normality" when it requires the presence of an existential terror threat to function?
 

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I can't remember who said this originally but I see the old saying remains as true as ever

"If the IRA didn't exist, unionism would have to invent it"


At this stage it's really rather pathetic watching grown men wetting themselves in terror in public, such is their professed crippling fear of (but really a deep craving for) the old certainties and comfort blankets.

On both sides of the border.

How feeble is the facade of "normality" when it requires the presence of an existential terror threat to function?

.....and it's first cousin saying blurted out by Jim Molyneaux :

"The IRA ceasefire is the worst thing that ever happened to Unionism".
 

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To say that this is not going down well is an understatement.

The PSNI Chief Constable along with heavily armed men, wishing everyone a Merry Christmas, standing outside a seldom opened police station in... Crossmaglen.

Jaysus.

 
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