Emerging Virus'es ( Human ) + VARIANTS thread

Shaadi

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The Northern Ireland Department of Health has said that 1,776 new cases of Covid-19 have been reported in the past 24 hours.

One further death has also been reported.

Today's number of new cases is more than three times the number of cases that were reported on the same day last week.

It is the first time the daily Covid-19 case number in Northern Ireland has topped 1,700 since January.

Let me repeat...

It's beginning to look a lot like Christmas... in July.
 

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Let me repeat...

It's beginning to look a lot like Christmas... in July.
Yes, leaving aside the fact that deaths, ICU admissions and hospitalisations are currently at 2, 55 and 1.5 per million respectively. The comparative numbers last January (at their peak) were 13, 523 and 31. That may of course change, but there are other dramatic differences to last Christmas, not least the fact that virtually everyone over 40 has been vaccinated (not sure where they are with this in the North) and the overwhelming majority of cases are in the under-35 age cohorts.
 

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Yes, leaving aside the fact that deaths, ICU admissions and hospitalisations are currently at 2, 55 and 1.5 per million respectively. The comparative numbers last January (at their peak) were 13, 523 and 31. That may of course change, but there are other dramatic differences to last Christmas, not least the fact that virtually everyone over 40 has been vaccinated (not sure where they are with this in the North) and the overwhelming majority of cases are in the under-35 age cohorts.
The similarity with Christmas is in the gay abandon attitude to Covid that the public has been encouraged to adopt in the face of a very obvious threat of a huge new wave of infections.

It's a case of ah shur we're nearly 3/4 or more vaccinated now so let's not worry about Covid, Delta+ or any variants. Even though people are getting the Delta+ variant despite having being vaccinated and we having an open border with the less protected UK.

I understand the desirability and necessity to reopen and live again, but these viruses are not beaten by a long way.
 
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...the gay abandon attitude to Covid that the public has been encouraged to adopt...
I do believe you're making that up. I'm certainly not seeing any of that in the sources I'm following, anyway - quite the opposite in fact, I'm seeing messages of doom and despair that would make even Eeyore want to say "cheer the f--k up you moany shite!"
 

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I do believe you're making that up. I'm certainly not seeing any of that in the sources I'm following, anyway - quite the opposite in fact, I'm seeing messages of doom and despair that would make even Eeyore want to say "cheer the f--k up you moany shite!"

I think I've heard that kind of spiel before.


“Sitting on the sidelines, cribbing and moaning is a lost opportunity. I don’t know how people who engage in that don’t commit suicide.”
 
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I think I've heard that kind of spiel before.


“Sitting on the sidelines, cribbing and moaning is a lost opportunity. I don’t know how people who engage in that don’t commit suicide.”
Sorry, but I know what you're trying to do here and I'm not falling for it. I'd say "nice try" but it's not even that; it's a cheap and obvious attempted low blow.
 

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The similarity with Christmas is in the gay abandon attitude to Covid that the public has been encouraged to adopt in the face of a very obvious threat of a huge new wave of infections.

It's a case of ah shur we're nearly 3/4 or more vaccinated now so let's not worry about Covid, Delta+ or any variants. Even though people are getting the Delta+ variant despite having being vaccinated and we having an open border with the less protected UK.

I understand the desirability and necessity to reopen and live again, but these viruses are not beaten by a long way.

It was allways known that being fully vaccinated does not stop u getting covid,it means that it's unlikely u will get really sick or die from it by being fully vaccinated
 

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With respect to Christmas vs now.

Main thing thats different and its a big thing is we have 65%+ ( I think ) of the adult population fully vaxed - 2 doses. So this has weakened the link between hospitalisations/deaths and Covid. A great thing indeed and the more the % rises the better inc Children.

But if the virus is left loose in any way like in UK it does enhance the possibility of more new variants & ones that could evade the vaccines pretty much putting us back to Christmas .. possibly.

And also people who get covid, even fully vaxed .. might not get that sick but could still end up with long term long covid. Something we cannot disregard and have to consider. Best thing of course is dont catch covid and do your best not to
 

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With respect to Christmas vs now.

Main thing thats different and its a big thing is we have 65%+ ( I think ) of the adult population fully vaxed - 2 doses. So this has weakened the link between hospitalisations/deaths and Covid. A great thing indeed and the more the % rises the better inc Children.

But if the virus is left loose in any way like in UK it does enhance the possibility of more new variants & ones that could evade the vaccines pretty much putting us back to Christmas .. possibly.

And also people who get covid, even fully vaxed .. might not get that sick but could still end up with long term long covid. Something we cannot disregard and have to consider. Best thing of course is dont catch covid and do your best not to
I think the best thing to do at the moment is carry on as you were before getting vaxxed within reason. Masks in indoor settings. Social distancing etc etc. The big danger is what’s going to happen in England. The virus is being given a huge chance to mutate and they don’t seem to care.
 

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I have a trip to an event in the UK booked for August (brought forward from last year). A few weeks ago I was feeling a little optimistic about going, knowing that I would be double vaxxed and my travel companion would have a least one. I'm not feeling optimistic anymore. I don't see anyway I would feel confident enough to travel to England in a few weeks time. Feck Boris and his insane experiment.
 

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It was allways known that being fully vaccinated does not stop u getting covid,it means that it's unlikely u will get really sick or die from it by being fully vaccinated
More and more I am hearing about fully vaccinated people getting Covid. It looks to me like more than "a few breakthrough cases"

I'm sorry, but I expected more from the vaccines

"You can get infected and even get sick, but you probably won't die from Covid if you're fully vaxxed." is not really enough bang for our very expensive vaccine buck--vaccines which are not without their own slight risks.

If fully vaxxed people can get Covid and pass it on, then we still have no real solution for the problem of Long Covid, or indeed for the problem of more variants arising.

We have no solution either to the problem of our hospitals being overwhelmed. Nurse spokesperson speaking of this now on RTE

The nurse spokesperson says that the number of fully vaccinated people who are being hospitalised is rising.

The only positive in this sh1t show is that the young people who are getting infected with Delta are much more likely to get sick and show symptoms than was the case before, so they then get tested and isolate

Unlike in the past when they were asymptomatic and walked around infecting everybody without knowing it.
 

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I have a trip to an event in the UK booked for August (brought forward from last year). A few weeks ago I was feeling a little optimistic about going, knowing that I would be double vaxxed and my travel companion would have a least one. I'm not feeling optimistic anymore. I don't see anyway I would feel confident enough to travel to England in a few weeks time. Feck Boris and his insane experiment.
Know 2 that is comng from Leeds this week, planed from before but it will be poignant for them as we buried their 96 year old uncle at the weekend, anyone who know Killala, Willie that had McGreggors shop was buried on Sat.
 

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I have a trip to an event in the UK booked for August (brought forward from last year). A few weeks ago I was feeling a little optimistic about going, knowing that I would be double vaxxed and my travel companion would have a least one. I'm not feeling optimistic anymore. I don't see anyway I would feel confident enough to travel to England in a few weeks time. Feck Boris and his insane experiment.
The virus will be peaking a few weeks from now.
 

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It seems that Sweden is recording relatively few new cases or deaths - maybe their 'herd immunity' strategy is paying off?
 

Shaadi

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89 in hospital that is a decrease of 12 on yesterday
21 in ICU iis a increase of 1 on yesterday
And..... 1 in 5 people admitted to hospital with Covid are vaccinated. Ergo as we strut around having a meaningful summer holiday period we are prepared to allow an explosion of new infections which will fill the hospitals with people needing treatment for Covid.
 

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And..... 1 in 5 people admitted to hospital with Covid are vaccinated. Ergo as we strut around having a meaningful summer holiday period we are prepared to allow an explosion of new infections which will fill the hospitals with people needing treatment for Covid.
Well look at it this way ... over 1000 new cases a day but with 89 in hospital, very low relative to the infected numbers? ( and I think a good half of these are from a spike in Mayo Hospital and in Letterkenny hospital ).

That means the massive majority of people with infection are fighting it at home and seem successfully? .. so it seems many of this 1000 per day probably have very mild version?

It seems many now have a sniffle and maybe sore throat, a headache .. thats it. These "new" symptoms for Delta, especially those who are already vaxed are very mild like this. Doctors reporting people calling re a sniffle only, thinking its hay fever and very surprised its actually Delta Covid and goes no further. SO a Q is how many people out there now who normally get hay fever think they have hay fever and do nothing about it other than antihistamine but actually have covid?
 

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And..... 1 in 5 people admitted to hospital with Covid are vaccinated. Ergo as we strut around having a meaningful summer holiday period we are prepared to allow an explosion of new infections which will fill the hospitals with people needing treatment for Covid.
Where are u getting that figure,

My mother contrated Covid in hosptal, she came home last Wed. having being tested last Tues. but the paperworkk that was sent was wrong so her test was not tested. If her test on Tues. came back positive on Wed. would she have being allowed home. Their was an outbreak in the hospital, their was 16 patients with covid in the hospital, was any of them new admissions or did all contract covid in the hospital?
 

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Where are u getting that figure,

My mother contrated Covid in hosptal, she came home last Wed. having being tested last Tues. but the paperworkk that was sent was wrong so her test was not tested. If her test on Tues. came back positive on Wed. would she have being allowed home. Their was an outbreak in the hospital, their was 16 patients with covid in the hospital, was any of them new admissions or did all contract covid in the hospital?
Meanwhile, the Chief Operations Officer with the Health Service Executive has said about one in five people being admitted to hospital who are Covid positive are vaccinated.

However, Anne O'Connor told RTÉ's News at One that these patients' outcomes are better.

She said: "In the general population, in terms of people testing positive, who are vaccinated, that number is rising from 7% on Sunday to 10% yesterday.



https://www.rte.ie › coronavirus
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1 in 5 people admitted to hospital vaccinated - HSE - RTE
 

midlander12

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https://www.rte.ie › coronavirus
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1 in 5 people admitted to hospital vaccinated - HSE - RTE
So of about 80 people in hospital, 15-16 are vaccinated, out of (what?) 2 million plus already fully vaccinated in the country to date. It's likely most of these have underlying conditions. A Guardian article I posted yesterday by an anonymous Covid specialist denouncing 'Freedom Day' made clear that the vaccinated Covid patients he/she was treating were not very ill, while the unvaccinated ones were heading to ICU, some still claiming they were trying to build up their 'natural immunity' of some such crap.
 

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So of about 80 people in hospital, 15-16 are vaccinated, out of (what?) 2 million plus already fully vaccinated in the country to date. It's likely most of these have underlying conditions. A Guardian article I posted yesterday by an anonymous Covid specialist denouncing 'Freedom Day' made clear that the vaccinated Covid patients he/she was treating were not very ill, while the unvaccinated ones were heading to ICU, some still claiming they were trying to build up their 'natural immunity' of some such crap.
So, am I saying that we are all doomed, no.

However another Wave of Covid and it's the Delta variant this time is hitting Europe. If you look at how NI's Covid figures ramped up last week then the probability that our numbers will follow suit is very high. Should we not be wary of the current situation?
 

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They were admitted specifically for Covid
She said not everyone who is being admitted to hospital is being admitted because they are Covid positive, adding that their admission may be for another reason and they happen to be Covid positive as well.


It seems no, a Miss O Connor says differently, a person could break their leg, is fully vaccinated, and has covid
So is this person admitted specificaly for covid
 

Shaadi

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She said not everyone who is being admitted to hospital is being admitted because they are Covid positive, adding that their admission may be for another reason and they happen to be Covid positive as well.


It seems no, a Miss O Connor says differently, a person could break their leg, is fully vaccinated, and has covid
So is this person admitted specificaly for covid
You are correct... and I was wrong to say specifically for Covid

However to answer the question that you asked me.


"The question how many of them got covid in hospital, their is no stats on what the ages of those in hospital, is some of those in ICU fully vaccinated"

They didn't get Covid in Hospital, it says that they were admitted with Covid. I can't answer your ICU question.
 

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Researchers from the US-based Center for Global Development used three different data sources to estimate India's excess all-cause mortality during the pandemic until 21 June.

No apparent logical flaws in that piece of news. If anything it seems more prudent than the few other hints gleaned earlier on.

By 21 June, total recorded COVID deaths were 390,683 in India.
 

Robutnua

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A Q no doubt, that has crossed all our minds last year or so


When will that happen? That’s the big, unanswerable question. “I thought that we’d be out of this acute phase already,” admitted Maria Van Kerkhove, the World Health Organization’s leading coronavirus expert.

Experience from the last four pandemics — the ones mentioned above — would suggest that viruses morph from pandemic pathogens to endemic sources of disease within a year and a half or two of emerging. But all of those pandemics were influenza pandemics. A different pathogen could mean we’ll see a different pattern.


Interesting that the last 4 pandemics in "living" memory have been influenza pandemics. We have to go back to 1889 for what is perceived to have been the last Coronavirus pandemic
 

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