COVID vaccines, Booster Shots .. also Antigen Tests - ( POLL inside ) .. BREAKING CDC NEWS

Will you get vaccinated whenever a vaccine is available?

  • Yes

    Votes: 34 75.6%
  • No

    Votes: 6 13.3%
  • How much are you paying?

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Maybe later, when it proves effective.

    Votes: 5 11.1%

  • Total voters
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Almost everyone I know has been vaccinated. One friend told me the HSE made a mistake and she wasn't on any list for second jab. She went into the centre with her husband and demanded they check. When she insisted they found the error. They are inclined to fob folk off with shortly
Yes, I got accidentally put into the wrong age group after I registered, they told me they'd reschedule, they didn't reschedule, and I had to be a bit of a persistent nuisance to get things moving.
 

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Almost everyone I know has been vaccinated. One friend told me the HSE made a mistake and she wasn't on any list for second jab. She went into the centre with her husband and demanded they check. When she insisted they found the error. They are inclined to fob folk off with shortly

Same here. All my siblings have had their second jab--they are in their 50s and 60s. All my friends ditto. I don't know anyone of the older age cohort who is not fully vaccinated
 

midlander12

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Everyone I know over 40, and many under it, now double-jabbed. And the results are clear, with 75% of cases now in under-35's and that other 25% is declining all the time.

Hopefully they can move heaven and earth to get everyone else over 18 jabbed in the next 6-8 weeks.
 

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Everyone I know over 40, and many under it, now double-jabbed. And the results are clear, with 75% of cases now in under-35's and that other 25% is declining all the time.

Hopefully they can move heaven and earth to get everyone else over 18 jabbed in the next 6-8 weeks.
Their is a strong demand of the younger generation to be vaccinated especialy with the J&J vaccine
 
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Their is a strong demand of the younger generation to be vaccinated especialy with the J&J vaccine
Good.

History should show the cautious approach towards this vaccine in particular earlier in the year to have been misguided. You can only make a decision based on the information you have at the time, but with hindsight it looks like it was the wrong decision.

Get them vaccinated, one and done, and get towards that critical mass.
 
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All my immediate family are vaxxed including the younger cohort who got J&J recently FOM the pharmacies.

Now all I have to worry about when I get home are the baby vectors 🙄
 

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This strikes me as being a very good idea:


The association will involve dating brands like Tinder, Match, OK Cupid, Hinge and Plenty of Fish.

The HSE said the aim is to encourage users of these dating apps to support and receive their Covid-19 vaccine when it is offered to them.
 
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This strikes me as being a very good idea:

This is the kind of creative thinking and problem solving that shows we can actually do it well when we have to. Better than NPHET's pronouncements of "DOOOOOOM" for sure.
 

Robutnua

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This is the kind of creative thinking and problem solving that shows we can actually do it well when we have to. Better than NPHET's pronouncements of "DOOOOOOM" for sure.
NPHET's pronouncements of "DOOOOOOM" or any pronouncements and warnings are from there stock and trade which is public health. You hardly want them to shut up or sugar coat for the sake of it? NPHETs advice is just that. They ADVISE. The Government does not have to take this advice which they have not at the moment. But NPHET have every right to do what they do .. from the beginning without them we would most likely be in a very bad place last year and a half.

By virtue of you saying NPHET's pronouncements of "DOOOOOOM" .. that is from your perspective BUT not from others perspective who value what NPHET are doing .. definitely as a counter balance to all pronouncements coming from the government, would you feel happier about that.

NPHET yesterday at presser ADVISED parents if possible to not take kids indoors. That is sound advice and NPHET have every right to give that ADVISE. Its up to you and me whether we take that advise or not, no one is forcing parents not to go inside with there kids, thats a decision and a CHOICE they will need to make when they balance up all the advise from all quarters
 

seanof

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NPHET's pronouncements of "DOOOOOOM" or any pronouncements and warnings are from there stock and trade which is public health. You hardly want them to shut up or sugar coat for the sake of it? NPHETs advice is just that. They ADVISE. The Government does not have to take this advice which they have not at the moment. But NPHET have every right to do what they do .. from the beginning without them we would most likely be in a very bad place last year and a half.

By virtue of you saying NPHET's pronouncements of "DOOOOOOM" .. that is from your perspective BUT not from others perspective who value what NPHET are doing .. definitely as a counter balance to all pronouncements coming from the government, would you feel happier about that.

NPHET yesterday at presser ADVISED parents if possible to not take kids indoors. That is sound advice and NPHET have every right to give that ADVISE. Its up to you and me whether we take that advise or not, no one is forcing parents not to go inside with there kids, thats a decision and a CHOICE they will need to make when they balance up all the advise from all quarters
I'm grateful to NPHET for resisting undoubted political pressure and making its advice public. I'll follow that advice, rather than what's permitted by the government under duress from vested interests.
 

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This week's update for the fastest vaccine deployment countries (previous week) has the UK dragging the weighted cases average of the first group upwards after seven weeks of reductions.

Its increase in the second group was slightly less pronounced than last week.

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Vaccine Doses - vd      Daily Cases - dc*cfr3M      Daily Deaths - dd
     (per 100 people)            (7 day average / million people)
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   16/7   Δw   Δ2w  Δ8w     17/7 cfr6M    %w %2w %8w    17/7    %w %2w %8w
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 2. 164  +4   +8.6  +43 | ae  42  .271 |  99  82 112 |   .51 | 125  92 190
 4. 131  +2.9 +5.7  +40 | bh  33  .591 |  83  53   4 |   .32 |  22  24   7
 5. 130  +6.8 +13.3 +57 | uy 160 1.589 |  60  33  10 |  2.95 |  50  38  18
 6. 129  +3.2  +6.9 +39 | cl 176 1.78  |  71  56  31 |  4.71 |  80  79  97
 7. 127   +.6  +1.9  +5 | il  48  .612 | 164 2822724 |   .12 | 114 (0)  50
 8. 121  +4    +9.9 +44 | qa  20  .452 | 108 103  40 |  0    | [.3  .2  .9]
 9. 121  +2.4  +5   +33 | uk1123 1.804 | 141 1831705 |   .59 | 149 238 660
10. 120   +.8  +3.4 +42 | mn 250  .6   |  73  63 253 |  2.27 |  83  51 135
11. 119  +7.6 +16.7 +65 | ca  10 1.031 |  73  68   8 |   .24 |  71  48  22
12. 113  +1.9  +3.4 +31¹| hu  17 3.901 | 119 100   7 |   .16 |  91  91   3
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    127  +3.4  +7.5 +40 |  μ 149 1.263 | 112  95  53 |  1.19 |  67  56  33
          -.7  -2.1  -2 | Δw +16       | +27 +18  -1 |  -.58 | -16 -17 -14

     97  +5.4 +11.1 +47¹| eu 233 1.888 | 165 307 107 |   .24 |  83  63  11
     47  +2.8  +5.7 +26¹| un 128 2.022 | 115 130  83 |   .99 | 100 102  60

    144  +1.1  +2.4  +8 | sc 397  .496 |  68  75  96 | 10.1  | 233  88 233
 1. 165  +4.3 +10.2 +61¹| mt 440 1.038 | 41238576239 |  0    | [0   0   0 ]
 3. 153  +5.5 +10.6 +82¹| is   7  .402²| 205 352 226 |  0    | [0   0   0 ]
Code:
13. 113  +6.7 +13.9 +61¹| be 132 1.11  | 147 241  59 |   .13 |  85  44   8
14. 112  +7   +17.4 +51 | sg   1  .177 | 423 400 124 |  0    | [0   0   0 ]
15  112  +8.3 +16.4 +60¹| es 680 1.467 | 143 269 477 |   .27 |  97  64  31
16. 111  +4.5 +12.3 +62¹| nl 326  .567 | 3131353 238 |   .08 | 111  62  10
17. 109  +9.8 +19.8 +60¹| pt 573 1.874 | 117 155 735 |   .72 | 141 175 464   
21. 105  +9.2 +17.5 +59¹| ie 238 1.385 | 169 213 204 |   .23 | 100  89  53
22. 105  +5.2 +10.8 +51¹| de  32 2.312 | 158 208  14 |   .23 |  76  48  12
23. 103  +1.2  +2.5 +17¹| us 143 1.553 | 156 224 115 |   .78 | 116 111  45
24. 102  +6.4 +12.6 +52¹| it  75 2.182 | 195 276  41 |   .23 |  73  58  10
25. 101  +5.9 +12.2 +51¹| at  40 1.301 | 247 418  44 |   .08 |  36  50   7
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    107  +6.3 +13.4 +52 |  μ 161 1.393 | 153 257 169 |   .28 | 103  85  24
          -.8   -.3  +1 | Δw +56       | -15 +26 +79 |  +.01 | +21 +17  +6 

18. 108  +6.1 +13.5 +57¹| lu 185 1.103 |  84 173 133 |   .22 | 100 (0)  20
19. 107  +6.8 +12.3 +22 | mv  59  .276 | 107  73   8 |   .78 | (0)  75  10
20. 106  +4.4 +10.5 +48¹| cy 452  .406 | 105 240 393 |   .64 |  67 (0)  57
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- countries are referred to by their internet TLD.
- cfr6M equals total deaths by 15/7/21 minus the total by 15/1/21 divided by total cases
    for 1/7/21 minus the total for 1/1/21, multiplied by 100. Average ratios in the μ row
    are to the mean of the 10 deaths and weighted cases incidences for the week. [2] For Iceland,
    the range is extended to a year because there was only one casualty in 2021.
- %w, %2w and %8w are the ratios to the last week, the last two, and the last 8 weeks times 100.
- countries with less than 100.000 people have ignomously been omitted, except for the Seychelles
    who are now listed below the table for unfortunate reason. So are countries with fewer than
    a million to avoid unstable ratios caused by low numbers.
- the be, cl, cy, es, is, hu, lu, mv and sc vaccinations totals for the 16th are estimates taken from covidvax.live
- [1] the amount of used J&J doses has been multiplied by two where applicable.

The cfr weights have both been brought forward by a month and their time span extended from 3 to 6 months, as this seems to offer a better compromise between the variations resulting from waves and changes in testing tactics.
 
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ainm_eile^2

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Everyone I know over 40, and many under it, now double-jabbed. And the results are clear, with 75% of cases now in under-35's and that other 25% is declining all the time.

Hopefully they can move heaven and earth to get everyone else over 18 jabbed in the next 6-8 weeks.
Before Winter.
 

CarlDoyle

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So in the UK .. Hospitalisations - 60% are double vaxed
He should have said something like

70% double vaccinated but only 60% of admissions
30% single/less vaccinated but 40% of admissions

Having said that, is it 60% double vaccinated and 60% of admissions? That would mean that (double) vaccination doesn't actually help much.

He wasn't going to say that AZ isn't that effective against the delta variant.
 

seanof

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He should have said something like

70% double vaccinated but only 60% of admissions
30% single/less vaccinated but 40% of admissions

Having said that, is it 60% double vaccinated and 60% of admissions? That would mean that (double) vaccination doesn't actually help much.

He wasn't going to say that AZ isn't that effective against the delta variant.
Frankly, I think little we hear from official Brit sources on Covid-19 in general or the AZ vaccine in particular can be entirely trusted. There seems to be a large element of jingoistic propaganda involved. Furthermore, their government medical experts appear to me to be firmly under political control, unlike NPHET.
 

seanof

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After going into explaining the stat., now icoming out that the stat he gave was wrong, u would wonder which stat is right and which is wrong
That's just it. I listen to LBC quite a bit and even the best of the presenters and callers seem oblivious to the contradictions they're being fed by their medical authorities.
 

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Now corrected it seems

Whether it's 40% or 60%, we are talking about 2 very different types of hospitalisation:-

............things are definitely different this time around. For the equivalent case numbers, hospitalisations are far lower, and people overall are less unwell. Vaccines have made the difference.

Many of our admissions have not been vaccinated, however. Some want to achieve “natural immunity”; it is unclear whether they realise that the only way to do this is to get the disease instead. Another wants “to see some real data”, as if all the information assessed by the regulatory authorities before approval, and the clear real-world data about the reduction in cases, is somehow fabricated. Someone’s friend got some side-effects from the vaccine so she didn’t have it; guess which one of them ended up in hospital. Most of these people have the decency to look sheepish, or to describe themselves as “one of those idiots”.

Not all, mind: some remain defiant as they are wheeled off to intensive care, and their families deny that Covid itself exists even as their relative is placed on a ventilator.

Conversely, well over half of our Covid admissions have been vaccinated. These patients are a mix of ages, and are less unwell than they used to be, for the most part; very few need admission to intensive care after vaccination. The vaccination clearly works, but is not 100% effective in all people. This much we knew.



As always, the headline tells you little or nothing, even when 'corrected'.
 

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Twitter slowly starting to wake up.

 

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Twitter slowly starting to wake up.

I’ve reported death threats to politicians, health experts etc etc from Irish paytriots and they’ve done nothing. Yesterday there were all sort of false and dangerous claims all over the site after the London protest. Gillian Mc Keith (fake doctor) was leading the charge. They do nothing to stop it.
That disgusting fake Andrew Wakefield, who’s making millions from this, addressed the crowd.
 

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Sobering from Scotland:


THE number of over-60s needing hospital treatment for Covid has tripled in the past month, with admissions in the over-80s now outnumbering any other patient age group.

One would have to wonder is the pretty much 100% vaxing in UK with AZ coming home to bite relative to its efficacy against Delta???

Analysis by PHS and Edinburgh University indicates that two dose of the Pfizer vaccine reduce the likelihood of symptomatic infection by 83%, and AstraZeneca by 61%.
 
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Sobering from Scotland:


THE number of over-60s needing hospital treatment for Covid has tripled in the past month, with admissions in the over-80s now outnumbering any other patient age group.

One would have to wonder is the pretty much 100% vaxing in UK with AZ coming home to bite relative to its efficacy against Delta???

Analysis by PHS and Edinburgh University indicates that two dose of the Pfizer vaccine reduce the likelihood of symptomatic infection by 83%, and AstraZeneca by 61%.
My money is on the use of the less effective AZ. Vital that the Irish government immediately start to offer third dose/booster of Pfizer or Moderna to all who have had two doses of AZ starting with the over 60s.
 

Robutnua

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My money is on the use of the less effective AZ. Vital that the Irish government immediately start to offer third dose/booster of Pfizer or Moderna to all who have had two doses of AZ starting with the over 60s.
And in general a third jab to all VERY HIGH RISK where for different reasons the efficacy is lower
 
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Whether it's 40% or 60%, we are talking about 2 very different types of hospitalisation:-

............things are definitely different this time around. For the equivalent case numbers, hospitalisations are far lower, and people overall are less unwell. Vaccines have made the difference.

Many of our admissions have not been vaccinated, however. Some want to achieve “natural immunity”; it is unclear whether they realise that the only way to do this is to get the disease instead. Another wants “to see some real data”, as if all the information assessed by the regulatory authorities before approval, and the clear real-world data about the reduction in cases, is somehow fabricated. Someone’s friend got some side-effects from the vaccine so she didn’t have it; guess which one of them ended up in hospital. Most of these people have the decency to look sheepish, or to describe themselves as “one of those idiots”.

Not all, mind: some remain defiant as they are wheeled off to intensive care, and their families deny that Covid itself exists even as their relative is placed on a ventilator.

Conversely, well over half of our Covid admissions have been vaccinated. These patients are a mix of ages, and are less unwell than they used to be, for the most part; very few need admission to intensive care after vaccination. The vaccination clearly works, but is not 100% effective in all people. This much we knew.



As always, the headline tells you little or nothing, even when 'corrected'.
I have a French friend, late 30s, mother of two. Her children are vaccinated with all the mandatory childhood vaccines required for school admission.

From the start she was anti mask, anti vax and was of the opinion that it was just "flu". When it became obvious that she would have to be vaccinated if she wished to travel, she said she would have it but was holding off.

Her mother, late 50s, her father, same age, her brother and her husband all got covid. The husband and brother had what were essentially really bad flu symptoms, both her parents ended up in hospital, her mother for 36 days, 16 in ICU on a ventilator. Her father was not as bad but did require oxygen.

Not surprisingly her views have changed but I must say her mother has made a remarkable recover, no remaining symptoms, no evidence of long covid.

Neither she nor the children caught it, whole family now fully vaccinated, except the children who are under 12. Hard way to learn and extremely lucky that the outcome was not worse.

I also know a French couple who have, to date, refused to be vaccinated. Their motivation comes from a general distrust of government and Macron. She works in a care home and will have to make the choice between her job and the vaccine by September 15.

Regional government for Aude has just announced the opening of pop-up, walk in vaccination centres at the popular seaside resorts. They will remain open until sometime in August.
 

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I have a French friend, late 30s, mother of two. Her children are vaccinated with all the mandatory childhood vaccines required for school admission.

From the start she was anti mask, anti vax and was of the opinion that it was just "flu". When it became obvious that she would have to be vaccinated if she wished to travel, she said she would have it but was holding off.

Her mother, late 50s, her father, same age, her brother and her husband all got covid. The husband and brother had what were essentially really bad flu symptoms, both her parents ended up in hospital, her mother for 36 days, 16 in ICU on a ventilator. Her father was not as bad but did require oxygen.

Not surprisingly her views have changed but I must say her mother has made a remarkable recover, no remaining symptoms, no evidence of long covid.

Neither she nor the children caught it, whole family now fully vaccinated, except the children who are under 12. Hard way to learn and extremely lucky that the outcome was not worse.

I also know a French couple who have, to date, refused to be vaccinated. Their motivation comes from a general distrust of government and Macron. She works in a care home and will have to make the choice between her job and the vaccine by September 15.

Regional government for Aude has just announced the opening of pop-up, walk in vaccination centres at the popular seaside resorts. They will remain open until sometime in August.
I simply can't understand that type of attitude, particularly from parents who likely had all the vaxes available as children themselves and who had their own children vaxed with all the latest ones until Covid came along. A strong preference for, say Pfizer, rather than AZ is understandable, I think, even if not medically justified.
 
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I simply can't understand that type of attitude, particularly from parents who likely had all the vaxes available as children themselves and who had their own children vaxed with all the latest ones until Covid came along. A strong preference for, say Pfizer, rather than AZ is understandable, I think, even if not medically justified.
AZ was not given to her, or her parents, age group in France. In fact France, like many other EU countries is phasing out the use of AZ. I believe Denmark and a few others have already stopped using it.

I do not understand why Ireland is still using it and, according to Leo, has a massive supply. The EU stopped buying it at the end of June, where has this supply suddenly appeared from? Was some backdoor deal done with Boris as some were demanding? If that is the case, and I sincerely hope not, it most likely has come from the Indian plant that is not approved by the EMA and is not accepted for the EU digital covid pass.
 

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AZ was not given to her, or her parents, age group in France. In fact France, like many other EU countries is phasing out the use of AZ. I believe Denmark and a few others have already stopped using it.

I do not understand why Ireland is still using it and, according to Leo, has a massive supply. The EU stopped buying it at the end of June, where has this supply suddenly appeared from? Was some backdoor deal done with Boris as some were demanding? If that is the case, and I sincerely hope not, it most likely has come from the Indian plant that is not approved by the EMA and is not accepted for the EU digital covid pass.
I think we can be pretty confident that it's not the Indian manufactured one. It is a pity we don't have more of the Pfizer and even J & J, being one shot only.
 

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I think we can be pretty confident that it's not the Indian manufactured one. It is a pity we don't have more of the Pfizer and even J & J, being one shot only.
More vaccines, of any type, even AZ, are better than none.

That assumes that they are willing to vaccinate people more than two doses. It is unfair to people who took AZ, in good faith, to be locked out of other types.

More importantly, it is also bad policy. Booster vaccines are likely to close the gap. Two AZ + a different one for the third dose is likely to improve the effectiveness of the vaccine.
 
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