COVID vaccines, Booster Shots .. also Antigen Tests - ( POLL inside ) .. BREAKING CDC NEWS

Will you get vaccinated whenever a vaccine is available?

  • Yes

    Votes: 34 75.6%
  • No

    Votes: 6 13.3%
  • How much are you paying?

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Maybe later, when it proves effective.

    Votes: 5 11.1%

  • Total voters
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This is why I mention breakthrough, nothing to do with deniers. Certain people out amongst us still have to take care and those around them also.

@Bonkers Luke O Neil on Pat Kenny this morning discussing people on Immunosuppressants ( people with transplants ). That yes the effect of the double vax would in most cases be lower than the general population, so care still needed more than others. However research out of Johns Hopkins and other noted places saying that a third jab is almost definite for people on Immunosuppressants and the effect is very very positive increasing the efficacy way up.
In France that group are being offered a third vaccine of Pfizer or Moderna 8 weeks after the second dose they received.
 

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I know you are a fan of the Tories' vaccine rollout and refusal to institute zero covid strategy, but it has proven to be a disaster thanks to the introduction of the Delta variant. It's time to face facts: the Tories have destroyed that country with their strategy during this pandemic.
If anyone thinks the Tories care about the general population they need their head examined.
 

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Vey interesting thread on vaccine supply.
 

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We are getting to that 80% figure but I really think we will hit the 90s in fully vaxed TBH
We need 80% of the total population, not just adults. We're doing well, but there's a long way to go yet.
 
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We need 80% of the total population, not just adults. We're doing well, but there's a long way to go yet.
Always nice to see positive news, but a hell of a lot of spin in numbers given. A big one here is the government announcing that over 60% of people have antibodies. Which means a lot less than it sound like it means, and how exactly can they state that as a fact anyway, given there’s no mass antigen testing?
 

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Always nice to see positive news, but a hell of a lot of spin in numbers given. A big one here is the government announcing that over 60% of people have antibodies. Which means a lot less than it sound like it means, and how exactly can they state that as a fact anyway, given there’s no mass antigen testing?
It'll be done on the basis of the available samples, I suppose. Like an opinion poll. What's the MoE I wonder.
 

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Always nice to see positive news, but a hell of a lot of spin in numbers given. A big one here is the government announcing that over 60% of people have antibodies. Which means a lot less than it sound like it means, and how exactly can they state that as a fact anyway, given there’s no mass antigen testing?
In the UK they are saying 90% of all have antibodies .. mix of vax, those who had it AND THOSE WHO HAD IT BUT DIDNT KNOW THEY HAD IT.

This apparently after PHE huge studies on this, which, one would have to give it to them on that front, the UK is seen as world-class at this kind of thing

I can vouch for the not knowing .. its an in retrospect thing with some. I have had acquaintances and friends saying they reckon they had it especially back at the start in December 2019 and the like. However cannot prove it
 

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The EU document – essentially a QR code available on smartphones or on paper – will be available to those who have been fully vaccinated, who have acquired natural immunity through contracting Covid-19 in the last six months, or who have a recent negative PCR test will be eligible for the Covid pass.

Surely in respect of PCR test that cert doesnt last too long, only of value for a period of time post test?
 

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In the UK they are saying 90% of all have antibodies .. mix of vax, those who had it AND THOSE WHO HAD IT BUT DIDNT KNOW THEY HAD IT.

This apparently after PHE huge studies on this, which, one would have to give it to them on that front, the UK is seen as world-class at this kind of thing

I can vouch for the not knowing .. its an in retrospect thing with some. I have had acquaintances and friends saying they reckon they had it especially back at the start in December 2019 and the like. However cannot prove it
could have been the flu, there was a nasty one going around at that time, I got it, confirmed as influenza A from swabs
 
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In the UK they are saying 90% of all have antibodies .. mix of vax, those who had it AND THOSE WHO HAD IT BUT DIDNT KNOW THEY HAD IT.

This apparently after PHE huge studies on this, which, one would have to give it to them on that front, the UK is seen as world-class at this kind of thing

I can vouch for the not knowing .. its an in retrospect thing with some. I have had acquaintances and friends saying they reckon they had it especially back at the start in December 2019 and the like. However cannot prove it
I'm at least 90% sure I've had it - I was in the UK during Cheltenham week last year, travelling around on trains that were criss-crossing with the Cheltenham crowd, mingling with lots of others in social environments across 5 different cities, and so on. I obviously didn't experience any symptoms (otherwise I'd be 100% sure) but in those circumstances it's a virtual dead cert that I was at least exposed to it.

This is obviously only in retrospect and as we've come to understand the virus better. At the time it was "no symptoms, I'm good".
 

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Surely in respect of PCR test that cert doesnt last too long, only of value for a period of time post test?
I think since it is a digital cert, it can be updated live, so that it acts as a record of COVID immunity info.

It would list positive tests, negative tests, and vaccinations, along with the date for each.

Other countries could set limits to how recent the PCR test must be. They may end up requiring a vaccine booster within the last 6 months for people who were vaccinated more than 6 months previously.

There could also be different rules for different vaccines.
 

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This is pretty damning, but then again the British people have had enough of experts:

 
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The EU document – essentially a QR code available on smartphones or on paper – will be available to those who have been fully vaccinated, who have acquired natural immunity through contracting Covid-19 in the last six months, or who have a recent negative PCR test will be eligible for the Covid pass.

Surely in respect of PCR test that cert doesnt last too long, only of value for a period of time post test?
On the some other EU country's EU apps, the test s are dated and in some countries if it was a "freedom to travel" test it disappears from the app when it's validity expires.
 

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Interesting bit of info. So they are testing more people, I imagine.

 

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Interesting bit of info. So they are testing more people, I imagine.

To further clarify, by cases he means the number of people coming forward for testing, so more people being tested, similar positivity rate, therefore more positive tests.
 

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Always nice to see positive news, but a hell of a lot of spin in numbers given. A big one here is the government announcing that over 60% of people have antibodies. Which means a lot less than it sound like it means, and how exactly can they state that as a fact anyway, given there’s no mass antigen testing?
Would it be down to that people who has had covid in the last 9 months only need 1 vaccination jab
 
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Would it be down to that people who has had covid in the last 9 months only need 1 vaccination jab
No, that’s not the policy here. What they’re really doing, as far as so can see, is counting the total number of people who have had only one shot, adding that to the total number of people who have had two shots, and then adding that to the total number of confirmed cases in the country since the pandemic began, ten expressing that number as a percentage of the total population.
 

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No, that’s not the policy here. What they’re really doing, as far as so can see, is counting the total number of people who have had only one shot, adding that to the total number of people who have had two shots, and then adding that to the total number of confirmed cases in the country since the pandemic began, ten expressing that number as a percentage of the total population.
Doubt that as the % would be a hellof lot higher,
% first Jab - 70
% fully vaccinated - 50

What % of the population has had covid
 
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Doubt that as the % would be a hellof lot higher,
% first Jab - 70
% fully vaccinated - 50

What % of the population has had covid
Population of about 36 million, officially 2.88 million confirmed cases since the beginning of pandemic, percentages given for number of adults fully vaccinated and number of adults given first jab, but not of percentage of total population fully vaccinated or percentage of whole population given first jab.

Not counting kids and teenagers gives much better percentages, but percentage needs to achieve herd immunity needs to count whole population, kids, teenagers and adults alike.
 

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Yes Both AZ. Second dose April. GP and London Hospital saying they are inundated today.
 

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Israel offers ‘booster’ jab as Covid infections spiral - FT

Israel will begin offering third doses of the BioNTech/Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine this week to adults with serious pre-existing medical conditions, becoming the first country in the world to officially offer a so-called “booster” of the company’s jab. The move, confirmed by the health ministry on Monday, comes as US and European health authorities debate the need for booster jabs. Late last month, the UK gave provisional backing for a booster campaign from September. Pfizer last week said it would ask regulators to approve them. Other countries reliant on Chinese vaccines have offered booster jabs.

.. According to Israeli health minister Nitzan Horowitz, a booster would be made available to adults who are suffering from severe immunodeficiency, have undergone a recent organ transplant, or are generally considered at risk.

.. The health ministry recommends that the third jab should be given between four and eight weeks after the second Pfizer dose, with the approval of a family physician. For some specific at-risk groups, the ministry also recommended that they take an antibody test after both the second and third doses, though it is not a precondition.


.. “[Booster shots for at-risk populations are] likely more important than just vaccinating a few 20 year olds,” Leshem added. “It’s plausible you can save more lives with this step.”
 

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Israel offers ‘booster’ jab as Covid infections spiral - FT

Israel will begin offering third doses of the BioNTech/Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine this week to adults with serious pre-existing medical conditions, becoming the first country in the world to officially offer a so-called “booster” of the company’s jab. The move, confirmed by the health ministry on Monday, comes as US and European health authorities debate the need for booster jabs. Late last month, the UK gave provisional backing for a booster campaign from September. Pfizer last week said it would ask regulators to approve them. Other countries reliant on Chinese vaccines have offered booster jabs.

.. According to Israeli health minister Nitzan Horowitz, a booster would be made available to adults who are suffering from severe immunodeficiency, have undergone a recent organ transplant, or are generally considered at risk.

.. The health ministry recommends that the third jab should be given between four and eight weeks after the second Pfizer dose, with the approval of a family physician. For some specific at-risk groups, the ministry also recommended that they take an antibody test after both the second and third doses, though it is not a precondition.


.. “[Booster shots for at-risk populations are] likely more important than just vaccinating a few 20 year olds,” Leshem added. “It’s plausible you can save more lives with this step.”
Wonder what they mean by recent. My transplant is 11 years ago.
 

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Wonder what they mean by recent. My transplant is 11 years ago.
Yip thats what I was wondering too. Wife had hers in 09. Q for specialist? I wonder is there a diff in efficacy vs immunosuppressant drugs /age of transplant? I also wonder can it be to do with type of immunosuppressant drugs being used per individual?
 
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Yip thats what I was wondering too. Wife had hers in 09. Q for specialist? I wonder is there a diff in efficacy vs immunosuppressant drugs /age of transplant? I also wonder can it be to do with type of immunosuppressant drugs being used per individual?
France has been offering a third dose, to certain categories, for several months. Below is the criteria.


"A third dose of the vaccine is recommended for immunocompromised people (Pfizer-BioNtech, Moderna). This third injection should take place at least 4 weeks after the second dose, or as soon as possible for people who have already exceeded this time."
This covers patients who have had organ transplants, recent bone marrow transplant patients, patients on dialysis, and patients with autoimmune diseases undergoing strong immunosuppressive treatment. such as anti-CD20 or antimetabolites.

There may be additional conditions but this was accurate in June.

I am not sure how long post organ transplant a person remains eligible at present.
 

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A preliminary post of the belated update for last week in the fastest vaccine deployment countries. (previous week) I'll repost the completed one hopefully in a few hours.

Code:
Vaccine Doses - vd      Daily Cases - dc*cfr3M      Daily Deaths - dd
     (per 100 people)            (7 day average / million people)
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    9/7   Δw   Δ2w  Δ8w     10/7 cfr3M    %w %2w %8w    10/7    %w %2w %8w
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 2. 160  +4.4 +9.5  +45 | ae  29  .186 |  83  74 103 |   .41 |  74  73 153
 4. 128  +2.7 +10   +43 | bh  43  .635 |  64  32   7 |  1.46 | 106  41  30
 5. 126  +1.3  +2.5  +4 | il  32  .668 | 173 3191346 |   .11 | (0) (0) 200
 6. 126  +3.7  +8   +39 | cl 225 1.625 |  79  60  49 |  5.88 |  98 103 125
 7. 123  +6.4 +14.5 +58 | uy 307 1.826 |  56  36  21 |  5.9  |  76  62  43
 8. 119  +2.6  +6.8 +46 | mn 383  .671 |  86  83 324 |  2.74 |  62  80 142
 9. 118  +2.6  +5.9 +36 | uk 334  .758 | 129 2151334 |   .4  | 163 161 267
10. 117  +6   +13.7 +49 | qa  24  .583 |  95  91  35 |   .31 | 150 100  25 
11. 111  +1.6  +4.6 +35¹| hu  12 3.457 |  83  50   3 |   .18 | 100  40   2
12. 111  +9.1 +19   +64 | ca  12  .873 |  93  78   8 |   .34 |  68  56  26
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    124  +4.1  +9.6 +42 |  μ 124 1.127 |  82  67  44 |  1.77 |  83  73  47
         -1.4   -.6     | Δw -28       |   0  +4  -7 |  -.36 |  -4  +3  -4

26.  96  +6.6 +14   +51¹| ie 104 1.022 | 126 165 118 |   .31 |  55  60  24
     91  +5.5 +11.6 +47¹| eu 122 1.613 | 194 291  52 |   .29 |  76  60   9
     44  +2.9  +6.5 +25¹| un 105 1.901 | 112 117  62 |   .99 | 102  97  58

    143  +1.4  +2.3  +9 | sc 407  .381 | 111  83  50 |  4.33 |  38  38  75
 1. 161  +5.9 +12.9 +67¹| mt  85  .824 | 9391780 800 |  0    | [0   0   0 ]
 3. 147  +5.1 +22.5 +85¹| is   4  .418²| 150 210  64 |  0    | [0   0   0 ]

- countries are referred to by their internet TLD.
- cfr3M equals total deaths by 15/6/21 minus the total by 15/3/21 divided by total cases
    for 1/6/21 minus the total for 1/3/21, multiplied by 100. Average ratios in the μ row
    are to the mean of the 10 deaths and weighted cases incidences for the week. [2] For Iceland,
    the range is extended to a year because there was only one casualty in Q2 2021.
- %w, %2w and %8w are the ratios to the last week, the last two, and the last 8 weeks times 100.
- countries with less than 100.000 people have ignomously been omitted, except for the Seychelles
    who are now listed below the table for unfortunate reason. So are countries with fewer than
    a million to avoid unstable ratios caused by low numbers.
- the sc vaccination total for the 9th is an estimate taken from covidvax.live .
- [1] the amount of used J&J doses has been multiplied by two where applicable.
 
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The full version of the delayed update for last week in the fastest vaccine deployment countries. (previous week)

The picture has remained similar to the week before, only that the second group has fared even worse. And it does contain Ireland now at the expense of China.

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Vaccine Doses - vd      Daily Cases - dc*cfr3M      Daily Deaths - dd
     (per 100 people)            (7 day average / million people)
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    9/7   Δw   Δ2w  Δ8w     10/7 cfr3M    %w %2w %8w    10/7    %w %2w %8w
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 2. 160  +4.4 +9.5  +45 | ae  29  .186 |  83  74 103 |   .41 |  74  73 153
 4. 128  +2.7 +10   +43 | bh  43  .635 |  64  32   7 |  1.46 | 106  41  30
 5. 126  +1.3  +2.5  +4 | il  32  .668 | 173 3191346 |   .11 | (0) (0) 200
 6. 126  +3.7  +8   +39 | cl 225 1.625 |  79  60  49 |  5.88 |  98 103 125
 7. 123  +6.4 +14.5 +58 | uy 307 1.826 |  56  36  21 |  5.9  |  76  62  43
 8. 119  +2.6  +6.8 +46 | mn 383  .671 |  86  83 324 |  2.74 |  62  80 142
 9. 118  +2.6  +5.9 +36 | uk 334  .758 | 129 2151334 |   .4  | 163 161 267
10. 117  +6   +13.7 +49 | qa  24  .583 |  95  91  35 |   .31 | 150 100  25  
11. 111  +1.6  +4.6 +35¹| hu  12 3.457 |  83  50   3 |   .18 | 100  40   2
12. 111  +9.1 +19   +64 | ca  12  .873 |  93  78   8 |   .34 |  68  56  26
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    124  +4.1  +9.6 +42 |  μ 124 1.127 |  82  67  44 |  1.77 |  83  73  47
         -1.4   -.6     | Δw -28       |   0  +4  -7 |  -.36 |  -4  +3  -4

     91  +5.5 +11.6 +47¹| eu 122 1.613 | 194 291  52 |   .29 |  76  60   9 
     44  +2.9  +6.5 +25¹| un 105 1.901 | 112 117  62 |   .99 | 102  97  58

    143  +1.4  +2.3  +9 | sc 407  .381 | 111  83  50 |  4.33 |  38  38  75
 1. 161  +5.9 +12.9 +67¹| mt  85  .824 | 9391780 800 |  0    | [0   0   0 ]
 3. 147  +5.1 +22.5 +85¹| is   4  .418²| 150 210  64 |  0    | [0   0   0 ]
Code:
13. 106  +6.4 +14.3 +58¹| be 118 1.455 | 163 174  35 |   .13 |  44  31   6
14. 105  +5.6 +11.4 +43 | sg   3 1.886 |  95  48  50 |  0    | [0   >0  >0]
15. 104  +6.9 +15.5 +59¹| nl  57  .311 | 431 491  55 |   .07 |  56  60   8
16  103  +9.4 +17   +54¹| es 551 1.705 | 188 409 288 |   .27 |  69  70  17
17. 102  +2.3  +3.9 +23¹| us  82 1.393 | 144 154  59 |   .67 |  96  75  36
21.  99  +6.1 +13.1 +53¹| de  11 1.324 | 131 111   7 |   .3  |  62  51  12
22.  99 +10.7 +18   +57¹| pt 208  .796 | 133 207 718 |   .51 | 124 171 242   
23.  96  +6.7 +13.3 +49¹| at  12  .964 | 169 105  12 |   .22 | 140  70  15
24.  96  +6.6 +14   +51¹| ie 104 1.022 | 126 165 118 |   .17 |  55  60  24
25.  96  +6.1 +15.6 +50¹| it 33  1.919 | 141 130  15 |   .31 |  79  58  10
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    101  +6.9 +13.4 +51 |  μ  92 1.275 | 164 243  86 |   .27 |  82  68  18
          +.3   -.2     | Δw +36       | +13 +91 +47 |  -.06 |  +1   0  +1 

18. 102  +7.4 +15.4 +57¹| lu 189  .862 | 2271163 134 |   .22 | (0) (0)  20
19. 101  +6.1 +10.2 +53¹| cy 441  .418 | 228 656 199 |   .97 | (0) (0)  50
20. 100  +5.6  +6.7 +18 | mv  59  .297 |  68  55   7 |  0    | [1   1  2.9]
Code:
- countries are referred to by their internet TLD.
- cfr3M equals total deaths by 15/6/21 minus the total by 15/3/21 divided by total cases
    for 1/6/21 minus the total for 1/3/21, multiplied by 100. Average ratios in the μ row
    are to the mean of the 10 deaths and weighted cases incidences for the week. [2] For Iceland,
    the range is extended to a year because there was only one casualty in Q2 2021.
- %w, %2w and %8w are the ratios to the last week, the last two, and the last 8 weeks times 100.
- countries with less than 100.000 people have ignomously been omitted, except for the Seychelles
    who are now listed below the table for unfortunate reason. So are countries with fewer than
    a million to avoid unstable ratios caused by low numbers.
- the sc vaccination total for the 9th is an estimate taken from covidvax.live .
- [1] the amount of used J&J doses has been multiplied by two where applicable.
In all likelihood the weighted cases averages for both groups will cross each other during this week.
 
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Almost everyone I know has been vaccinated. One friend told me the HSE made a mistake and she wasn't on any list for second jab. She went into the centre with her husband and demanded they check. When she insisted they found the error. They are inclined to fob folk off with shortly
 
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