A United Ireland in our lifetime?

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"The blunt reprimand", FFS, who does think he is dealing with, the stableboy? Leo Varadkar is the deputy prime minister of a sovereign state, the GFA makes provision for a referendum on United Ireland, an aspiration since the foundation of the Irish State.
The British just can't stand it that Ireland - Britain's former colony has now such leverage over Britain in relation to Brexit and the conditions which Britain will have to accept - and its driving the Brexiteers off the deep end.


And there is absolutely nothing that Britain can do - hence the public impotent whinging and moaning.

Moreover, such public moaning by Britain only leads to an increase in support for the target of their whinging in Ireland.

Leo and FG must be bustin ' their lungs laughing at this latest pathetic Brexiteer whinge.
 

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The British just can't stand it that Ireland - Britain's former colony has now such leverage over Britain in relation to Brexit and the conditions which Britain will have to accept - and its driving the Brexiteers off the deep end.


And there is absolutely nothing that Britain can do - hence the public impotent whinging and moaning.

Moreover, such public moaning by Britain only leads to an increase in support for the target of their whinging in Ireland.

Leo and FG must be bustin ' their lungs laughing at this latest pathetic Brexiteer whinge.
The British are making a habit of not reading what they sign which might make even people who have previously been in their corner stop and think they have no intention of living up to it in the first place....................pursuing a UI through peaceful and democratic means as a legitimate aspiration in enshrined in the GFA.....

Varadker is a democratically elected politician and as ETLOT said the Tánaiste of this state and leader of a party whose full title is Fine Gael the United Ireland party every bit as much as Lewis is a member of the Conservative and Unionist party.....
 

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Is this about now we get shocked that unionists are outraged? I mean half Leos speech was a dig as SF but whatever gets you up in the morning.

He's allowed to have a pop at SF if he wants as well and vice versa.........it's about setting your stall and vision for a UI and it's a great thing to see that it's firmly back on the front burner....

I personally wouldn't buy into all of the FG vision because of some of their previous socio-economic policies when in government but that it's pissed off the Brexiteer Tories is no harm.....
 
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Portillo's last comments were to wash the UK's hands of responsibility for unionism.

Despite him discussing at length the illegality of the conditions which fermented partition.

So, like all tories, he learnt nothing.
Watching a repeat of Portillo's Great Train Journeys, I was surprised to discover that he has dual UK/Spanish citizenship. His father was an assistant Professor in the faculty of law at Salamanca university, is held in the archives of enemies of Franco and was a card carrying member of an anti fascist league of university professors and intellectuals. He went into exile in England.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Gabriel_Portillo
 
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Watching a repeat of Portillo's Great Train Journeys, I was surprised to discover that he has dual UK/Spanish citizenship. His fao was an assistant Professor in the faculty of law at Salamanca university, is held in the archives of enemies of Franco and was a card carrying member of an anti fascist league of university professors and intellectuals. He went into exile in England.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Gabriel_Portillo
Portillo is not the worst of them. Unlike most Tories, he is not an unmitigated bigot.
 

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Portillo is not the worst of them. Unlike most Tories, he is not an unmitigated bigot.
Simon Hoare and Julian Smith have also proved themselves to be quite affable.
 

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Maybe someone should tell people like Gavin Robinson and Doug Beattie to stop creating or voting for political crises that threaten their precious union instead of just regurgitating the usual shite whe have been listening to for years about how its " Not the right time to be talking about this "....

They should of thought of that before promoting and voting for something that was opposed by the majority of people in NI who understand the clock doesn't go backwards.....
 

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"The blunt reprimand", FFS, who does think he is dealing with, the stableboy? Leo Varadkar is the deputy prime minister of a sovereign state, the GFA makes provision for a referendum on United Ireland, an aspiration since the foundation of the Irish State.
Indeed, if they would like to get technical the GFA was predicated on Britain's insistence that they have no selfish strategic or economic interest' in Northern Ireland . Yet the Tories and the rest of them never shut up about their desire to keep NI in the UK.

What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.
 

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Portillo is not the worst of them. Unlike most Tories, he is not an unmitigated bigot.
As someone who actually stayed up till something like 3 in the morning on UK election night 1997 specifically in order to see that smarmy bastard have his clock wiped and to absolutely revel in the look on his face when his local result was announced (I'm cheap and vindictive - so sue me!) I actually - and in a manner I'd never have imagined back then - agree.

But on the other hand being a mitigated bigot isn't in itself a really huge recommendation.
 
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Maybe someone should tell people like Gavin Robinson and Doug Beattie to stop creating or voting for political crises that threaten their precious union instead of just regurgitating the usual shite whe have been listening to for years about how its " Not the right time to be talking about this "....

They should of thought of that before promoting and voting for something that was opposed by the majority of people in NI who understand the clock doesn't go backwards.....
Wonder if Dougie and all the other Unionists feigning shock and outrage could tell when in the past 23 years since the GFA would be an acceptable time for Nationalists in Ireland to pursue and outline the inevitable Reunited Ireland by constitutional methods as set out in the GFA - or do Unionists actually believe that the GFA only allows for the exclusive promotion of the continued union between the North and Britain?
 

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The vicious level of pure hatred and bile directed at Leo and the Irish Nation in the comments section of the British "Telegraph" is truly vomit-inducing, not to mention the absolute pure ignorance of the GFA, Ireland and the Irish Nation displayed by the cabal.

Brexit Britain has thrown up the dregs of British society and puked them up onto the pages of the British media.

Truly sickening.
 

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"Mr Poots and Mr Givan left Stormont House earlier on Wednesday evening and did not make comment to the media as they exited".

Another example of the British government chucking the DUP under that bus?

They´ll soon throw the DUP a temporary bone to keep them from winding up Unionist terrorists over the Border in the Irish Sea that Britain agreed with the EU as part of the EU-Britain WA Agreement.
 
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"Mr Poots and Mr Givan left Stormont House earlier on Wednesday evening and did not make comment to the media as they exited".

Another example of the British government chucking the DUP under that bus?
At present, they are being promised another trip 'neath the wheels.

It's not "done" till it's done. And there are several things that need to happen before the Irish language act is in effect as per nationalist aspirations.

Methinks it is now another negotiating chip.
 
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They´ll soon throw the DUP a temporary bone to keep them from winding up Unionist terrorists over the Border in the Irish Sea that Britain agreed with the EU as part of the EU-Britain WA Agreement.
It really is Stockholm syndrome...?
 

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"Mr Poots and Mr Givan left Stormont House earlier on Wednesday evening and did not make comment to the media as they exited".

Another example of the British government chucking the DUP under that bus?
I don't think that was the case. The events over the past few days suggest Poots and Givan told Lewis on the quiet that the DUP (or at least that faction of the DUP they lead at the moment) would be OK with Acht na Gaeilge being passed by Westminster instead of Stormont. They've just got the got the positions they've always wanted and the last thing they need is seeing them whipped from under their noses before they even had time to start on the job - especially when an election now would see the DUP get a hiding and Poots being remembered among the faithful as the patsy who lost Unionism's divine right to lead the Stormont administration.

Poots realises that Acht na Gaelige is inevitable - he even negotiated its introduction when the Executive resumed eighteen months ago - and this way of doing it gives him a way out, allowing the DUP to publicly oppose its passing and divert the anger of Cullybackey Orange Hall onto the perfidious Brits (yup, Unionism's sense of victimhood inhabits that dimension of unreality). In this, he's showing a level of pragmatism way in excess of the current British Government.

The biggest loser from this latest episode must be the SDLP. Eastwood's cheap point-scoring blew up in his face as he was left looking like a petty opportunist while serious politicians in Sinn Féin and the DUP found a way of keeping the show on the road.
 

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I don't think that was the case. The events over the past few days suggest Poots and Givan told Lewis on the quiet that the DUP (or at least that faction of the DUP they lead at the moment) would be OK with Acht na Gaeilge being passed by Westminster instead of Stormont. They've just got the got the positions they've always wanted and the last thing they need is seeing them whipped from under their noses before they even had time to start on the job - especially when an election now would see the DUP get a hiding and Poots being remembered among the faithful as the patsy who lost Unionism's divine right to lead the Stormont administration.

Poots realises that Acht na Gaelige is inevitable - he even negotiated its introduction when the Executive resumed eighteen months ago - and this way of doing it gives him a way out, allowing the DUP to publicly oppose its passing and divert the anger of Cullybackey Orange Hall onto the perfidious Brits (yup, Unionism's sense of victimhood inhabits that dimension of unreality). In this, he's showing a level of pragmatism way in excess of the current British Government.

The biggest loser from this latest episode must be the SDLP. Eastwood's cheap point-scoring blew up inhis face as he was left looking like a petty opportunists while serious politicians in Sinn Féin and the DUP found a way of keeping the show on the road.
I wouldn't be sure that Poots was on board with this.
 

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I wouldn't be sure that Poots was on board with this.


Think Prof has it sussed - reminds me of the time Foster was forced to call May out of her meeting with Juncker to pull the plug -> it appeared in public that the British Govt. was trying to bounce the DUP into this deal when in all probability there was a secret private deal by Foster+Dodds and the British Govt to go ahead and sign up and see if they could get it through without the DUP fanatics going ballistic whilst allowing Foster+Dodds plausible deniability whichever way the cookie crumbled.

Of course, as it turned out, the DUP/UDA/OO went nuts when the saw some of the deatils of the deal as they considered the Fenians had gotten one over them and they then forced Foster to call May to pull the plug.
 

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I am even less sure, now.
He was railroaded and he caved now he is being railroaded from his own side, except the DUP have don't appear to have a side.
On the contrary, they're all side.
 
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I am even less sure, now.
He was railroaded and he caved now he is being railroaded from his own side, except the DUP have don't appear to have a side.
Also, we have SF relying on the word of a Tory govt on implementing something that will p1ss off loyalists, AND, which would also be a reversal of centuries of language oppression in brit ruled Ireland. Which would be a second betrayal of Loyalism.

SF had to take the deal, but they are no where near "done" on the language act.

It's now a gambling chip in the Westminster pile.
 

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Also, we have SF relying on the word of a Tory govt on implementing something that will p1ss off loyalists, AND, which would also be a reversal of centuries of language oppression in brit ruled Ireland. Which would be a second betrayal of Loyalism.

SF had to take the deal, but they are no where near "done" on the language act.

It's now a gambling chip in the Westminster pile.
Whatever gambles SF took, they have paid off. They can certainly stand aloof from this clusterfuck , and anyone who trys to lay blame on them will be laughed at.
 

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Is it true that Poots walked out of his own party meeting? He's toast, isn't he?
 

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Also, we have SF relying on the word of a Tory govt on implementing something that will p1ss off loyalists, AND, which would also be a reversal of centuries of language oppression in brit ruled Ireland. Which would be a second betrayal of Loyalism.
I guess they figure, either they get the act passed, or they get another grievance and a better timed election.
 
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